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Comment by Michael Evans on January 21, 2012 at 16:15

Thanks Lion. People are a strange lot. They will stand in line at a checkout for fifteen minutes and not complain but get bad tempered, two fingers up and shout abuse if the car in front delays them for one second while leaving the traffic lights on green. They love their pets and spend money at the vets then have meat for dinner and it is such a taboo subject it is not even up for discussion. They have awarded themselves the right to kill animals, fish and birds, end of story, claiming because it is legal it must be right. You know my driveway at rear? Cought two twenty odd year olds a few days ago at midnight having 'relations' beside my car in full view of the houses behind with street lamps on. Even when i stood beside them they carried on. Like the Renault commercial says, we live in changing times. Hope to get back to Exmouth later this year. If the Philippines idea goes well i will send ewe a fare to visit us. If ewe like swimming, the girls have a big pool called the Pacific Ocean.

Comment by Development Department on January 21, 2012 at 15:51

Well I think you are right to make a hard break and I hope it goes well.

Comment by Michael Evans on January 20, 2012 at 11:36

I have been a vegan and animal rights supporter since about 1990 and have belonged to every group, sent hundreds of letters and e mails etc but had no replies except the two female African scammers on Havenheed but have only met one person, Mr. Lion. The two groups on Facebook have gone as i predicted because of the foul language and insults and if Havenheed was a business it would have gone bankrupt long ago due to lack of trade. Most people have had the same basic upbringing and education, me included, where we have been lied to and brainwashed like our parents and theirs before them. Therefore i am not surprised to see that while members want to be vegan they still want to retain most of their normal life style rather than make a total break, better the devil you know but i believe this to be fatal to any plans to further the cause. I have explained to the lion why i have taken such a hard stand because of my experiences with normal people, the police, courts, M.P, and all the others, lucky to be alive, lost tens of thousands of pounds to government fraud and have no plans to be hurt any more. Today i have agreed to buy two coconut growing islands in the Philippines and hope to start a vegan commune and holiday centre there and frankly i do not expect Havenheed or any other group to make any significant progress because of a weak membership and flawed plans. However i wish you all the best of health, Mike.

Comment by Development Department on January 19, 2012 at 23:15

Sorry, the site wouldn't let me delete the comment I forgot to add the video to.

Comment by Development Department on January 19, 2012 at 23:13

I'd like there to be a peaceful solution and ideally I'd like to see self-sustaining amphibious R.V.R.V.s (Raw Vegan Recreational Vehicles) become widely used across the world. (It would be nice to tour the Philippine islands in one.) We really need to get the idea of a high tech nomadic lifestyle broadly endorsed. I've set up a petition for a TV show about it here to hopefully get the idea more widely accepted.

Comment by Development Department on January 19, 2012 at 23:12

I'd like there to be a peaceful solution and ideally I'd like to see self-sustaining amphibious R.V.R.V.s (Raw Vegan Recreational Vehicles) become widely used across the world. (It would be nice to tour the Philippine islands in one.) We really need to get the idea of a high tech nomadic lifestyle broadly endorsed. I've set up a petition for a TV show about it here to hopefully get the idea more widely accepted.

Comment by Development Department on January 19, 2012 at 22:49

Sorry to hear about that Mike but I don't believe flags and money inherently cause suffering; it just depends who's in charge of them. Money is a good way of speeding up transactions as opposed to alternatives like bartering. Transactions are carried out by evil people but then they are also carried out by good people. As far as flags are concerned it is good to have a shared identity for the sake of protection. Zebras for example have a shared identity which helps to protect them from predators as there is safety in numbers.

As you have said we are all at risk from attack from the same cruel people. I may have suggested more diplomatic approaches on this site before but on the other hand if I was a Brazilian crop farmer having my land invaded by American cattle ranchers then I don't see how using violence against such people would not be acceptable if it's the only way to protect yourself and your livelihood. Cattle Ranchers are well on their way to destroying the planet as we know it more extreme actions need to be taken against them soon.

Comment by Michael Evans on January 17, 2012 at 14:31

I received an e mail today from the Philippines that a kind friend, though i never knew about her until today, aged 58 has died of a heart attack probably caused by poor nutrition and general lack of care, worry and a very hard life. Could we all remember the billions of kind people as well as the animals that have suffered emotional and physical pain since the beginning, hunger, homelessness, loneliness, death, injury without treatment, disease, imprisonment, drowning, burned alive, abuse, hopelessness and the general cruelty over the centuries without any sign of change. Havenheed propose ideas like own flag, currency etc, all the things a normal society have, but is this not the cause of all the suffering? If none of these things matter any longer when we are dead, which will be soon, why are they so important when alive?

Comment by Michael Evans on January 15, 2012 at 10:15

Dear Al, I have been in contact with two friends in the Philippines for two years and keep them supplied with rice and other things but i have not been there. We built one traditional palm tree house on the beach for only about £3,000 (Sterling) which does not require planning consent or building regulations and have another three plots beside for more houses the same, along with a rice field. The first harvest produced £800 worth of rice for £100 of siblings which is a good return. There are two islands nearby i am interested in which are used for growing coconuts and that could give an income by selling them in the Surigao City to pay household bills like water, electricity etc. Medical treatment must be paid for in advance which means most put up with the pain or die so again we need an income to pay for that as well as train the girls to learn nursing to help each other. But whether it is abroad or anywhere else it is clear that gentle and kind people are suffering while the cruel prosper just like they always have. It looks like forming such a group in the U.K is going to be hard maybe because people are apprehensive about making a change and everybody can claim benefits so there is not the urgency like those abroad who are starving but i believe they are taking a serious risk being alone, one can see how many murders there are every day, violence is fashionable. There are so many other examples, too many to give here about how cruel most others are, like making a phone call to be met with an automated 'service' to cause maximum stress, being short of money and forced to work with cruel people in Tesco or similar just to survive, what kind of life is that? Getting children out of a warm bed on a frosty morning to be bullied at school just to be part of a cruel system. My dream is to end up somewhere in the country with kind friends where nobody goes to work and everybody is happy and free, that could be in the UK or maybe in the Philippines, it does not matter but the Philippines is where the suffering is, the weather and people are nicer and land is cheap. It may also be that those friends are more likely to be women rather than men who appear to be more cruel. My information is that it could be possible to have our own village in the Philippines full of gentle and kind people well worth helping having as little to do with what most see as a normal life in the outside world, all that i have to do now is rob a few banks to pay for it all, Mike.

Comment by Al Evens on January 15, 2012 at 1:17

I feel the same Mike! it seems to be an excuse to carry out mass murder. How will you create a place of safety?